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[Father Elwood]

This makes me think of the Ghostbusters 3 discussion. Rumor has it that Harold Ramis (writer/Egon) wanted to start up a third Ghostbusters movie. I've heard from a number of sources that Bill Murray (Peter Venkman) said no way, and that he doesn't like trilogies. Then somewhere along the line I was told, and also heard, that Dan Aykroyd (writer/Ray) brought up the idea of an animated film. Whether or not this is true, I am not entirely sure, but whoever brought up that idea is going to eat my foot for lunch. :mad: Dan!

These guys are hitting their older years. They're getting fat, old, and squeaky. They need to oil up their joints every mornin'. Point is, I just don't know... I'm not saying he can't do it, but even by Blues Brothers 2000 I had a feeling he lost a lot of what he once had. Elwood just wasn't the same. Then again, I still loved the sequel to pieces.

I have not seen Dan Aykroyd's most recent film that I know of... he was in I Now Pronounce You Chuck & Larry, and from what I've seen, he still does well... but can you really see that guy getting up and dancing and singing and seizuring (in a good way)? I'm just unsure. 55 really isn't that old, but do you guys really think Elwood would be Elwood at 55?

In BB2000, he was already lecturing Buster. "Don't do bad things," yadda yadda. After another 10 years, how do you think he would've changed? He left with Buster and they because fugitives on the run. Maybe Buster could be the new heir, but to me he seems a little young... An über fan such as myself is just a little uneasy about the idea.

So guys. I know there could be an awesome plot-- I've written some myself. But will it be the same? How much old the old cast would there be available... or still alive, at that matter? Can the band still play? (They were fantastic in BB2000, by the way.)

Lastly, is Dan much fatter? :o Tee hee. More importantly, can he still sing? I'd say he got a lot deeper by BB2000. But I can't say I didn't like it... Uhh, moving on.

The difference between Ghostbusters and Ghostbusters II was hard to deny. There was a clear difference in Dan after just 5 years. Same with The Blues Brothers and Blues Brothers 2000. After 18 years, he had gone through some drastic changes. So between 5 and 18 roughly... how much has he changed (as Elwood) in 10 years?

Here are some pics between the films and their sequels.




And I'm not just talking about looks, here. There's a lot of stuff about the guy that changed. And his characters. I'd say his characters' personalities changed drastically. Well, enough for me to notice, anyway. To be brief, Ray went from dopey and childish to a little more mature... but still dopey and childish. He just seemed to have an experienced streak over him. Then Elwood went from oblivious and uncaring to fatherly and... well, still oblivious. But he seemed to have a more grown-up attitude, especially around Buster. Since Jake died, he also became more of a leader. I noticed that for both characters, with age came more angst. They seemed just a little more grumpy.

I'm not saying all the changes were bad... I guess I'm saying, a great guy can really only go in one direction: down.

Just, what do you guys think? Anyone else have DOUBTS about the film? What alternatives are there? Can Dan stand on his hands? :D Could he ever? I know I sure can't!

[Ähfah]

Heyho,
I also think that it would be very bad if the make a third part of the Blues Brothers because I think the first part was the best! The second part wasn´t as good as the first one and when the make a third one it woudn´t be better. The reason for that is not only the age of the actors but also the difficulty to find a new storry which isn´t nearly the same like in part I & II.

[Father Elwood]

Ähfah said:

Heyho,
I also think that it would be very bad if the make a third part of the Blues Brothers because I think the first part was the best! The second part wasn´t as good as the first one and when the make a third one it woudn´t be better. The reason for that is not only the age of the actors but also the difficulty to find a new storry which isn´t nearly the same like in part I & II.

Yeah. And I get the feeling they'd repeat the same old jokes a THIRD time for the sake of "tradition." It would make it just like the 2nd-- a somewhat lame imitation of the first. I don't think Dan & co. should make a third unless they're sure they've got at least a somewhat interesting plot. And it just won't be the same without James.

True. But I don't find Dan all that "old." He looks fine, I think. I just wonder if she can still do... Elwood things. I even noticed that after just 18 years he was running less, being less spastic. I don't know if it was on purpose, but the newer Elwood seemed more careful.

[Ähfah]

Yeah.. Maybe Dan doesn´t looks that old.. but I think he doesn´t looks anymore like Elwood..

[Father Elwood]

Ähfah said:

Yeah.. Maybe Dan doesn´t looks that old.. but I think he doesn´t looks anymore like Elwood..

Dear GOD, I do not want to post any pics from Chuck & Larry. I only recognized him because his eyebrows and nose were still delicious. And his hands.

I was like, "...DAN?!" His voice is what convinced me. "DAAN!!" I was both happy and upset to see him. What happened to him in the 3 years between this and 50 First Dates? (Yes, I'm sure there were movie between them, but that was the timeline I was working with.)

He looks like a monk. He's balding. T_T (Crying face.) Probably all that hat wearin', actually. (Not true. Only baseball caps do that-- fedoras are quite easy on one's scalp.)

[Cartman Blues]

bb 3 wouldnt be THAT bad...but he would have to act like he looks, a LOT more mature...unfortunately.

BB3 for 2008!

[syxtfour]

First post ever on this forum, go me!

Anyway, as much as I love both movies, I'm forced to agree that there's no need for a third movie. Its best to just leave it as is, which is what we can put together after the movies: Elwood is still on the run, he's found Brother Zee, and when they can, they perform. And once a week, Elwood manages to pirate a radio signal and do a show for those fortunate enough to hear it.

If we want more information on what happened to them, well, I guess we'll have to track the Blues Brothers down, won't we?

[mad-wolfie]

As i've said before, let's face it, the plot lines for BB & BB2k were essentially the same what with car chases, & musical interludes as well of course similarities between the 2 films - Elwood on the run from the Police & trying to put the band back together - even with the familairity of the arguments from Mr Fabulous & Matt Murphy, Inspirational motivation from the Rev Cleophus, The Illinois Nazi's being morphed into Russians.. so really you could argue the 2nd film was a remake of the oriignal. Probably one reason why it's not really considered a classic like the original. If they did make a 3rd they would really have to think out of the box, so would the problems of age & hip replacements really be an issue?

So long as BB3 (if it ever happens) isn't a poor remake of the 1st film again, who cares about the wrinkles on Elwoods face & the band using walking sticks! After all a lot of people have said the 1st film was better, but the music on BB2K was better. Is that not the whole point of the film though & the meaning behind it - keeping the Blues alive in this age of "recycled, digitally sampled techno-grooves, quasi-synth rhythms, pseudo-songs of violence-laden gansta-rap, acid pop, and simpering, saccharine, soulless slush", the music is the film, not so much the plot or the aged appearence of the characters.

[Ähfah]

mad-wolfie said:

So long as BB3 (if it ever happens) isn't a poor remake of the 1st film again, who cares about the wrinkles on Elwoods face & the band using walking sticks! After all a lot of people have said the 1st film was better, but the music on BB2K was better. Is that not the whole point of the film though & the meaning behind it - keeping the Blues alive in this age of "recycled, digitally sampled techno-grooves, quasi-synth rhythms, pseudo-songs of violence-laden gansta-rap, acid pop, and simpering, saccharine, soulless slush", the music is the film, not so much the plot or the aged appearence of the characters.

Yeah... I think that´s right about the music but how many people think so? The most aren´t ineterested in the music but in the plot. (I´m not speaking of myself =) ) most people who went to the cinema doesen´t go there because of the music... that´s really bad but it is like that..

[Scott]

For me it's the whole package deal. I don't watch the movie for the music, but the movie wouldn't be the same without the music.

[Ähfah]

Scott said:

For me it's the whole package deal. I don't watch the movie for the music, but the movie wouldn't be the same without the music.

I think so, too.. but there are many who are only interested in the story and they don´t remeber the music after they have saw the film.. sth. like that is really sad..

[Father Elwood]

syxtfour said:

First post ever on this forum, go me!

Anyway, as much as I love both movies, I'm forced to agree that there's no need for a third movie. Its best to just leave it as is, which is what we can put together after the movies: Elwood is still on the run, he's found Brother Zee, and when they can, they perform. And once a week, Elwood manages to pirate a radio signal and do a show for those fortunate enough to hear it.

If we want more information on what happened to them, well, I guess we'll have to track the Blues Brothers down, won't we?

Welcome. Glad you chose MY thread. http://www.bluesbrotherscentral.com/forum2/public/style_emoticons/default/icon_cool.gif Lol.

Yeah. Dan's the bonehead who wants a Ghostbusters III really bad. I can imagine him wanting a third Blues Brothers as well. Seriously, there's no reason for a Ghostbusters III, either, but Dan's like, "PLLLZZZ HARRROOOLLD. PLZ." And Harold's like, "4 TWINKIES."

WHAAT. That's what the radio show's about? I think I just peed. D: I'm so happy. *cries*

mad-wolfie said:

As i've said before, let's face it, the plot lines for BB & BB2k were essentially the same what with car chases, & musical interludes as well of course similarities between the 2 films - Elwood on the run from the Police & trying to put the band back together - even with the familairity of the arguments from Mr Fabulous & Matt Murphy, Inspirational motivation from the Rev Cleophus, The Illinois Nazi's being morphed into Russians.. so really you could argue the 2nd film was a remake of the oriignal. Probably one reason why it's not really considered a classic like the original. If they did make a 3rd they would really have to think out of the box, so would the problems of age & hip replacements really be an issue?

So long as BB3 (if it ever happens) isn't a poor remake of the 1st film again, who cares about the wrinkles on Elwoods face & the band using walking sticks! After all a lot of people have said the 1st film was better, but the music on BB2K was better. Is that not the whole point of the film though & the meaning behind it - keeping the Blues alive in this age of "recycled, digitally sampled techno-grooves, quasi-synth rhythms, pseudo-songs of violence-laden gansta-rap, acid pop, and simpering, saccharine, soulless slush", the music is the film, not so much the plot or the aged appearence of the characters.

I LOVE Mr. Fabulous' arguing. It's so fantastic. xD

Like I said in another thread, I think Elwood should get stranded in the streets of Vegas. I also think he should try to perform there, but possibly fail miserably. *snort* Too bad Dan's so old now. I wonder if a Vegas schtick would be possible in his condition. Because what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas.

I really didn't like a lot of the music in BB2K. Elwood went WAYYY too deep in my opinion. I was like, "WHAT THE F***." Not kidding. Those were my words. "WHAT THE F***." I was just. Ugh. I don't know. Some people go, "DEEP ELWOOD IS SO SEXY" but I just don't think it goes with Dan's face AT ALL. Or his voice. He's really pushin' it to sound like that (meaning, it's probably not his "comfortable" singing zone, although it's clear he likes to do it).

I say it's all the acting, for me. I like the music, no doubt. But I LOVE the acting. I respect Dan Aykroyd and John Belushi as actors. Not as musicians. Although they are also good musicians.

[tomasep]

Hay, everybody gets old, OK? me, you everybody.
Why not Elwood, Cab, Buster and Mighty Mack?
Everybody change.
Why not Elwood and the rest of the gang?.
I say Go BBB! welcime film number 3!
Welcome the magic once again!

[Father Elwood]

tomasep said:

Hay, everybody gets old, OK? me, you everybody.
Why not Elwood, Cab, Buster and Mighty Mack?
Everybody change.
Why not Elwood and the rest of the gang?.
I say Go BBB! welcime film number 3!
Welcome the magic once again!

...Don't do that.
(The quote, lol.)
I never said he wasn't allowed to get old. I'm saying, he can't be the Elwood we "know and love." It's been 27 years. He's bound to have changed quite a bit in that time.
Also, the movie... Just try to imagine Dan, in the state he is now, doing what Elwood did back then.

I think a lot of Dan fans haven't seen him for a very long time. I'm pretty sure Wikipedia is like 6 years behind.

[itsallblack]

We have had this discussion many times on this site.:BB:I would like to see a prequel to the first film with young actors playing Jake & Elwood.Maybe Dan can play Elwoods father the reason he grew up in the orphanage.Or what about Jake & Elwood the prison years.http://www.bluesbrotherscentral.com/forum2/public/style_emoticons/default/icon_cool.gif

[Bunch]

I really hate to have to be the one to break it to all of you ageists, but 55 is not old by any means. Do all of you think you're going to remain forever in your twenties and thirties? Knock off the age comments. They're irrelevant, and conceited.

[TakkunEG]

I agree, 55 isn't old. Something like 90, 95 is old, and even then, you're only as old as you feel.

[Scott]

I took a quick look at the previous posts, and it looks like the vast majority of the age comments were from troll girl who has been banned. We can relax.

[mad-wolfie]

takkuneg said:

I agree, 55 isn't old. Something like 90, 95 is old, and even then, you're only as old as you feel.

I have to agree here, what does it matter about age? So long as they can sing, act & they can wear a black suit, does it really matter?

James Brown wasn't exactly a teenager & he was still performing up until the time he died (I recall he did the BBC Electric Proms in October 2006) & Cab Calloway wasn't exactly a teenager when he donned the famous outfit & appeared in the 1st movie.

To be honest here, if they were going to do a 3rd movie & it was set in todays timeline, they would have to keep the age difference constant & not only that if a load of younger singers/actors such as Snoop Dogg came in to take on the role of Reverend Cleophus to replace James Brown & they brought in 20-something actors to take over the role of the lead characters without the baton being passed from Elwood/Dan Aykroyd, in some way to act as their mentor, then the younger audiences probably wouldn't get it. In laymans terms it would be a bit like getting a teenager, sitting him down with his dad & having his dad play his record collection & trying to get into his head that this is "proper music", the teenager wouldn't be interested & walk off pulling his face!

In addition to this, the film would die a death at the box offices & we'd have a more embarassing situation because another eagerly awaited sequal would simply disapoint which will push the knife in deeper. Plus all the credibility that has been built up would soon die & all the cult status would probably be lost as the newer fans would lose interest. Still these are all if's & buts, no doubt if a new film came along it would be welcomed by the long standing fans & followers.

But really, i think the whole thing rests on one thing.. the 3rd film - whatever it may be - i.e. a new film set today to tie up the loose ends (as BB2k ended & you did think there was more to follow as it finished on a cliffhanger), or a new film set as a pre-1980 build up to how it came about, whatever happens it has to be a better film than BB2k & have the same longevity as the original.

Failing that there is always plan B - leave the fans wanting more i.e finish on a high with the cliffhanger & not bother with another blockbuster film & perhaps if the need arises consider to go into a new line of animated series for the younger generation of fans or even a TV mini-series of some sort. After all a lot of the big movie series franchises Rocky, Police Academy, Terminator, Star Wars to name examples i instantly think off, would probably have been best if they didn't have so many sequals - 2 maybe 3 films at the top would be enough, after that it just gets stale

[Blueblood]

Uh, for what it's worth, I don't feel old...